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Bonjour à tous!

Je sais que je relance de nièmes suppositions, supputations et tirages de plans sur la comète mais quand même, je suis intrigué.
Une observation:
Je suis les ventes de M600 F4 depuis quelque temps et je remarque un fait.
Sur la période 2008 jusqu'à l'été 2009, les ventes de M600 ont été rarissimes dans le monde entier.
Depuis l'automne, plusieurs ont été mis en vente et en un mois, Ian Hobday en propose 3 à partir du Japon.
Un il y quelques semaines et 2 en même temps aujourd'hui.
http://shop.ebay.fr/ian.hobday/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=

je vois déjà 2 possibilités:
Des possesseurs japonais de M600 ont des infos privilégiées (surtout si ils bossent chez Sony ) sur la prochaine sortie du 500 F4 et se dépêchent d'anticiper la vente.
...et l'autre solution qui ne va pas dans le bon sens:
Ce sont des proprios de M600 en attente du 500F4 qui ont perdu patience et qui passent à la concurrence!
Ce serait surtout pour des raisons professionnelles.

Vu l'état des objos proposés au moins pour l'un d'entre eux quasi-neuf, je doute que les prioprios en aient eu un usage professionnel intensif.
Donc, je favorise plutôt la première solution.
Maintenant, ce peut-être une coïncidence due aux grands nombres. Les japonais sont nombreux et beaucoup aiment la photo.
Mais curieux quand même.
Cela dit le prix des M600 reste stable. Pour l'instant.

Vos avis?

Bon dimanche à tous!

edit:
Et un 600 F4 de plus chez Matsuiastore!
eBay objet: 400093721433

Pas faux, j'avais aussi remarqué cette soudaine apparition de M600... C'est aussi un joli paquet de cash pour des proprios qui en ces temps de criiiise ont peut etre besoin de liquidité...

si ca pouvait etre vrai .....heureusement d'ailleurs que ca chauffe, parceque là avec la neige qu'il tombe a Paris ca fait du bien

Bonjour Conca!
Il neige à Paris?
C'ets le monde à l'envers! Nada en Haute-Savoie.

Hello

vivivi, on a eu des flocons ce matin ! tu sais dans les pyrennees a coté de chez miss conca, ils ont fermé la station cette semaine.... mon beauf arrive samedi prochain pour la re-ouverture... je lui ai conseillé de prendre ses VTT plutot que ses skis !

Alpinlover a écrit :Bonjour Conca!
Il neige à Paris?
C'ets le monde à l'envers! Nada en Haute-Savoie.

Ben ça y ait, il neige en Haute-Savoie ce matin.

Mouhais c'est peut être surtout les nouveaux boitiers experts-pro Canon ou Nikon qui ont fait basculer certains photographes à mon avis. Ya qu'a voir le nombre de pages ces derniers temps ici sur ce sujet, bé c'est pareil dans les autres pays.
Enfin j'espère pour vous que c'est l'arrivée du 500/4.

Alpin, je pense comme toi que certains déstockent avant le 500/4, je trouve qu'il y a aussi plus de 400/4,5 sur la baie.de qu'avant.

mouais... on va tâcher d'y croire... pour y croire...

500 F4: J'ai des doutes sur la sortie prochaine d'un tel objectif.

Alpinlover a écrit :Bonjour Conca!
Il neige à Paris?
C'ets le monde à l'envers! Nada en Haute-Savoie.

Hier j'étais à Seythenex et il neigeait

hedes a écrit :500 F4: J'ai des doutes sur la sortie prochaine d'un tel objectif.

On n'en a pourtant jamais été aussi proches !

Ma voisine a mis un string plutot qu'une culotte, est-ce à dire que la bourse va repartir?

Les bourses du voisin, peut-être ?

Foug a écrit :Mouhais c'est peut être surtout les nouveaux boitiers experts-pro Canon ou Nikon qui ont fait basculer certains photographes à mon avis. Ya qu'a voir le nombre de pages ces derniers temps ici sur ce sujet, bé c'est pareil dans les autres pays.
Enfin j'espère pour vous que c'est l'arrivée du 500/4.

Même avis, je connais ici trois utilisateurs avancés de Sony qui ont basculé apres la parution du Canon 7D... si Sony ne reagisse pas bientôt... sera de plus en plus dificil trouver des utilisateurs avancés surtout en photonature...

En plus les declarations du chef de la division de reflex Sony, Toru Katsumoto, en disant qui aura un sustitut du A700 (mais il ne confirme pas pour 2010 ) ne sert pas beaucoup à avoir bon espoir...

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news ... 33059.html

Traduction à l´anglais par google translate:

Japanese to English translationShow romanization
Winter 2009: Interview Manufacturers - Hen Sony
Such products must either say α700 successor


Kameramekaintabyushirizu first two times, from the full line-up completed after one year single-lens reflex cameras, Sony is expected to be a new challenge, Katsumoto Tetsu talked to general managers.

Sony α900 released last year, and complete the entry class to high-end lineup. Year did a re-entry model development, one aimed at the specs on the ranks among the α550 released a more entry-class.

Traditional camera industry as a manufacturer of one year ago, he said he could Katsumoto align the lineup to get recognition. Sony SLR camera, I guess that went way up and moving to do next?

Personal & Business Division of Imaging and Imaging Division, the sound of three Division Katsumoto Tetsu's α550

■ "feel" "easily" the camera 持Chi歩Keru
- A year ago, from a tradition of development for the camera, Temashita also said he wants to try to create new value.

α100 began in the first round last fall ended in α900 to improve the lineup. SLR cameras, from design to production, including through sale, Fed and price range will be treated for all products, as Sony was able to spend their valuable time.

The next year, "second anniversary" Let's do it in order that the entry machine, α330, 380 has been released. The theme of this product is the first time SLR users to touch, was to devise a way to learn to take nature photos.

- Specifically, why is it intended to be used by any user in the scenario.

Mechanically α300, 350 does not change significantly. When I wanted to do something, however, we have provided a graphical user interface can now view the guide. How fuzzy can be adjusted to taste what it 行E operations, and has to use while learning the very basic techniques and knowledge. Currently, the first camera to use a particular audience, and easy to understand and receive feedback.

But just know that this is the camera that the user already has a SLR camera is the product becomes unsatisfactory. So α550 released in the fall, the continuous shooting performance and high ISO sensitivity shooting, and when larger Kuikkuraibubyu focus was to support the use of specifications based on a step.

- Α first started the business, Sony said, "α Minolta users who supported the series" I have been very important. But it's time while "Sony α" It is becoming big I also bought a percentage of the user. Sony's customers to new users who do you think what you want to provide value?

As you mentioned, the existing customers as well as α mount, "Sony α" has become more and more people purchase the. Especially in the spring of this year's model, many customers came into the world of an entirely new SLR camera, has an increasing number of those not familiar with the old Minolta cameras. Meanwhile, at least intermediate level α and equipment to those who have purchased a Sony camera and lens installed base inheritance, freshly α is nearly half the customers who we think about the user.

What we want to provide users of the Sony camera is very simple. Feel free to carry, so that you get to enjoy the shooting itself. Enjoyed it from the camera to be attached to the body of knowledge which is to make literacy more easily. I myself carry a α550 now, he enjoys photography as a hobby.

■ For the mirror-less aircraft "not decided anything yet."
- I understand that this year is a pretty good business and expand abroad, and show only the Japanese market can not realize how good these. Could you tell me the status of world-wide?

The whole wide world is a camera with interchangeable lens market has won more than 10 percent. Is the most favorable in Europe. United Kingdom, France, Netherlands, Switzerland and Austria, many countries have 10 percent share of the second half of the units, the occupancy rate of 30 percent of the country. The market itself is small, very strong α Latin America, Mexico is now number one market share. Asia is also very good at addition, China's share of about 20 percent. In addition, South Korea, Malaysia, was able to give good results and Singapore.

- There is no reference to the U.S. market, what are market expansion as well as lingering in Japan?

U.S. and Japan, both in single-digit market share, we recognize that future challenges. Reasons for success in Europe and Asia, sales channels are highly specialized camera, the last three years, to come much closer, I went well in advance of exhibition space and shop. Went to get the confidence to fill specialty stores and specialty channels tenacious, α has focused on explaining the features around.

Of course, the same efforts in the United States and Japan that is continuing, and a large proportion of the circulation in both the major retailers. Exhibition space is also to secure either a product of what you have to try to market hand-in-kind Sony feature a new lens and plans for future supply, the neck is less than the opportunity to explain in detail.


Previous model achieved a smaller α series entry. Left α380, α330, α230

- That being said, the local tough in Japan is likely also for other reasons.

Looking to visit or what to look forward to your Sony camera, "Dawn and I want to put a collection of the essence of technology" is said. "Kore Sony camera and speaking" and I think we need essentially the Sony camera. In short it was the last to α900, α550 year if a product is a total commitment to what the expectations of the market is more "top class" products that may be. Can not imagine that, I would have expected the camera with outstanding performance and innovative features.

Second, we are made as a small SLR camera with a light until the last minute the same situation, "SLR camera" beyond the small can not happen. The world has come to emerge as Maikurofosazu products. More "new form" is considered the proposal may be required. Existing "SLR" If you figure out from the framework of Hami出Ta products, and many survive harsh competition in the Japanese market is difficult to do.

- In last year's Photokina, α900 that with a stick to break with tradition once, and we were telling me to try a new theme. Will significantly change the image of α is yet to what?

We are thinking that, rather than taking a share of the existing use and can suggest new features is that we stretched the entire industry. Even if fresh produce products, rather than existing as α appeared chagrined to new users, then that would be happy to try to new things.

- One eye on the mirror-less, but there have been rumors many times, what is working at the moment?

One eye on the mirror-less, it is of great advantage to the smaller items. However, the contrast is inevitably AF. We contrast the experience of a video camera came long the AF, is a type of contrast detection AF is video. SLR cameras are in focus for a moment cut or pull out quick AF performance as worthy? - And the fact that I still left room to study.

α rather than strategic, but personal opinion, depending on market and user scenarios that aim at the camera, I also have a lot of eye-less approach to the mirror.

- If the work on mirror-less if I can I will redesign a new lens mount?

Likely to continue to use the existing mount, I could have both a new cause. We would, α-mount is "always default to" get on the mount from the standard, we must first be improved further here. But when you say there is no possibility at all to do something extra to the otherwise mirror-less, and say so. However, I'll do absolutely mirror-less aircraft, but both say. I have not decided anything yet that the bottom line.

Rather, we must in 磨Ki込N We also have technology that optical viewfinder. α550 with 10 million of less than entry-class price range, HDR and high-sensitivity photography and high-speed continuous shooting, put all the specifications required for the intermediate machine, I think there can be further improved. Also for quality also can be part of the normal evolution of the salary increase Dzutsudemo want to let a little. The goal is to continue to provide the features and quality of reach as a professional machine in this class only.

■ the orthodox appearance, the contents are fresh, new models
- The Sony live view of the current method, I implemented a feature movie is it difficult? Per does this support it?

As basic still camera, this came three solid years, and I also working on the movie's time is considered. Originally, the camera for video from Sony has a lot of technology and know-how, wish I could contribute to the industry that continue to apply them. For specific features and techniques, but realize I do not speak, "using a regular camcorder, video shooting capabilities for operations 煩Washikunai also" aims to. Of course, a firm can take still pictures that can be taken to utilize the depiction in the video lens is not to say also.


Quick with the advantage of Sony's own response in terms of AF: (α350)

- A feature that is attracting attention SLR cameras shooting video, the camcorder for the general public will enjoy the description and the lens quality was not overwhelming. On the other hand, I have noticed it difficult 使Ikonashi considerably. What that cut around it.

Best video taken with a SLR camera, the overwhelming S / N in the depiction of the lens that is good and I agree. Currently, those who enjoy this savvy people are not shooting video recording as video work. As a result, the performance will be demanded as a tool for the production of such works, I think we should adopt a video camera recording formats as easy to use auto focus and more practical. Handycam know-how embedded in there, I was a single-lens reflex cameras, video cameras as "useful" is that you'll specifications.

Can coexist with the current live view? Answers about the refrain. Rather than private, including whether there is any possibility, because the width 狭Mezu to advance the consideration of the possibilities. Implementation of the development will feature is the last movie, people commonly bought a camera entry-level machine, like the normal 撮Reru watch the video from that day.

- Α line lens, lens system in a number of "full support" digital perspective and look at, but think how good the class, while the Japanese market launch of the α850 Remashi postponed Ta. Equipment for future expansion of full-size sensor or do you think?

α850 Released in Japan on the idea that the preferred company for sale, we can not comment on those. α900 and says about us with broad user acceptance mainly landscape photography. Megapixel sensor and Zeiss 2400, G, including a depiction of the lens, many people say that you looked to buy if you take a photo grads landscape. On the other hand, the sport will not want to see how well suited. The Almighty is not one to give everything to your type of photos taken, so I think a good product, α will continue to be developed to extend the value of the full-size format.


Overseas full-size aircraft that appeared in "α850". it lowered the rate from α900 vision has become affordable price

Intermediate 7 machines to complete production of Sony's announcement in January "α700"

- Provides a high spec machine will do for amateurs.

Will be launched next year can not promise, as though we planned. Development of the camera body from the road map will depend on the development trend of the device and put in it, and I'll do is hard to say when. But to say α700 successor product, you can always show you one. Top Model can not be ignored, and the user will not faded dreams of a model is a dream. High spec machine for the amateurs, I'd come with the camera in a dream.

- Α and the end of next year aim is rather to describe the camera?

The technical challenge will be issued a new product. Appearance is not a special occasion, but an orthodox camera, the contents is very innovative product. From which you can compete on features and performance as a camera, please expect.


Amicalement, Enrique.

Pour qui a besoin d'un 500 f4, qui n'est satisfait ni de l'af Sony, ni du 600, la "bascule" est parfaitement logique.

Cependant, ça court pas les rues ce type d'objos, quelle que soit la marque.